OK It's Friday morning 24 hours before I got to split this town, but for Ben Oh, because I love you man, because you take care of me, get me that bit ole Focal hook-up, I'm going to walk over to Chip Foose's now, legendary Chip Foose, and conduct a nice little interview. And hopefully get under his skin and see if I can piss him off, and get him to throw something at me or something or maybe to punch me or something. Wouldn't that be cool? You'd like that wouldn't you, Ben. I'm just kidding, he's not like that. OK, so here I am, walking into the Foose compound and I'm being met by 15 guards holding AK-47s. Let me see if I can get past them. OK, here we go, I'm going in.
[laughter]
TS: Could we have silence in the background please.
We're good timing
They want to know a lot about the show, Overhaulin. You're still doing it right?
Yeah.
How many seasons is it?
CF: How many seasons? We're in the fourth season now and I think we're a little over half way. They have not ordered a fifth season yet but we've heard rumblings that they will be.
TS: Of course, Car Audio has a lot of import cars and stuff and they want to know that you know you've had a few imports on the show....
CF: I'm hoping to do more.
TS: They want to know if it makes it more difficult in any way in terms of design just because...
CF: What our dream is to actually get involved with 5 Axis and do one of their cars.
TS: [laughs] Oh I see, shameless plug for each other. [chip laughs] yeah we could use someone like you...
CF: Cause they're building the coolest imports of anyone.
TS: Thank you. But, I guess they question is...
CF: That guy Troy is amazing. [Chip laughing]
TS: Allright Chip here's another 20. You can't see the twenties being exchanged but they are. We'll go to hundreds in a minute. The actual size of the car because they're smaller and the bodylines are sometimes different than what you're used to.
CF: That's why the speakers look so big in em. [laughing]
TS: They want to know if it poses any challenges and stuff just because it is a different vehicle to you. I don't think you look at it as a totally different vehicle.
CF: The size isn't the challenge. The real big cars, those can be a challenge. Like we did that '56 Cadillac convertible and it wasn't just the size but it was the amount of moldings and chrome work. I think our chrome bill on that car was, uh, I think it was close to 30 grand, just to get that car done for Overhaulin. There's a budget that's given for each episode and when you pick a big car like that that just comes out of the budget. And we didn't get lunch every day that week because... they had to cut back.
TS: [Laughing] For another molding or for the burger... I guess it comes down to the detail level I guess because those cars tend to have more intricate little moldings and things like that...
CF: Exactly
TS: ...where on the import we don't worry about that. We just put it all in the freakin stereo.
CF: yeah it would be fun, yeah with the import cars. What I like doing with Overhaulin' is playing with the love affair of the car. And people love the imports too, including myself. There are some really cool stuff. Like I said with 5 Axis what you guys have been doing is pretty much top of the game. I know we couldn't do that level in the seven days that we have.
TS: Oh yeah, I don't think we could even do what you do.
CF: But if we could get involved with somebody early on and have parts made, we could do a car like that.
TS: Right. What about the performance aspects of a car, how much does that affect the feeling for the vehicle.
CF: Well the performance aspect, I have to go back to what the premise of the show is. My goal is to build our mark's dream car and the mark is the person that owns the car. So what I do when I have the design meetings or the insider meeting, the insider being the person who set up our mark, what I'm trying to do is find out what the dream car is. And if it is a performance car, then we're getting a 572 big block or whatever it is that they really want to do. Yeah a lot of these cars, I'm just making real nice decent drivers because people aren't looking for a race car. If they were looking for a race car, that's what we'd build them.
TS: So if I guy doesn't want any performance and they really something more aesthetic and more about the interior environment, you're cool with that?
CF: Then I'm cool with that because I'm building their dream car not mine. If I was building my dream car, most of these would probably be extremely different.
TS: So, you're finished with about the show, you've said it's been on the air for 3 years and stuff...
CF: We've been filming for a little over 3 years now and it's still. You know, a lot of people say, "How can you keep your interest there?" But when you give someone a dream car and they're excited sometimes to the point where they can't even talk, they're so emotional, it makes it all worth it.
TS: I mean I'm sure that's the big reward of it, seeing the people enjoy. It's just like us when we go out and people enjoy what we've done, there is a lot of reward in that.
CF: Yeah, when you go to a local show and there's four or five Overhaulin' cars there and one or two of them win best of show for their category, that's pretty rewarding and when you know you did it in seven days. Of course it went through a safety check and it may have taken two or three months to get around to finishing everything but you know that what you see we did in seven days and it might beat out a car that somebody spent two or three years building at home in their garage; not to knock what they've done, but it's pretty rewarding knowing that what you did is taking home awards.
TS: So, any changes in store for the show? Are you going to change the format at all?
CF: There's talk about actually having the show follow my real life. Sometimes I'm not on the set. "Oh, where's Chip today?" "He's over at Metal Crafters building a car. Or he's over at 5 Axis working with clay modelers on another project he's doing for "prince" design. He's back at the shop working out design issues.
{interruption from Carson Webb... can't get all of it so I'm not getting part of it}
So if I'm gone it might be that I'm at another place going over some design issues or I'm in Detroit going over something because I do also work with the car companies. So they're talking about following some of my real life. We used to have Rides on TLC as well. It was, Rides and Overhaulin'. Now Rides is being aired again, but we're not filming new episodes. And that was a great show to follow what my real life was and a lot of people want to see what we're doing here and it might be interesting to add it to Overhaulin'. Or we're also talking about starting another show. I don't know where we're going to go yet.
TS: The real life of Chip Foose. That kind of leads to some other questions we have. Being that you're now in the spotlight...
CF: What spotlight? [laughing] Outside there's just some big sunshine
TS: Oh man! [laughing] A person is fondling a mannequin in his office. Oh man. OK
CF: [laughing] That's what I pay him to do.
TS: That you're now in the spotlight. People recognize you when you're walking around and stuff like that. Do you find that difficult sometimes, like you have no private time?
CF: It doesn't bother me at all. Actually, I have to respect it and appreciate it because I know it will go away one day. The only time that it is a problem is when you're with your family. And my wife's in a hurry to get somewhere: I still stop and take the time to talk to people. But I lose my family [laughing] -- they keep going.
TS: [laughing] Bye honey! We'll see you later!
CF: And I have to find them. So, it's a hunt for the Foose family, when you get down to it I really appreciate it and love that people love the show. It'd be a different story if they came up and started yelling...
TS: [laughing] Throwing eggs at you...
CF: For something that they didn't like. It's really nice how 99.9 percent of the comments are about how people love the show.
TS: Gotcha. Fortunately, you're a clean-cut guy. Unlike me, I might be coming out of a strip joint and the cameras would go off and I'd be like screwed.
CF: Uh-oh.
TS: OK, back to the...[mumbling and a pause, perhaps he's looking over his notes] OK.
CF: What do you think of this?
TS: Oh, this is awesome, man.
CF: It's going to be fun.
TS: This isn't for SEMA is it?
CF: Yeah.
TS: Are you serious?
CF: Yeah.
TS: OK, we're sitting on a car that, it should be, well you'll see in the pictures, it's still in raw sheet metal and it's going to be at SEMA, so. But you'll have seven days to do it so you'll be fine.
CF: [laughs] But I'm not doing bodywork on it. I'm just going to paint over all the raw welds.
TS: Oh really?
CF: I want it to look like this car was built in the `40s and we found it in a barn and drug it out. So all the aluminum work, we're going to take off and put it on the side.
TS: Right cause there was no bondo and polyester primer.
CF: Yeah, I don't want it to even look like... Some of it was leaded and some of it wasn't. Some things are going to be all distressed looking.
TS: That's cool man
CF: We're going to age everything. It's all old-school fabrication.
TS: So you talked about you have seven days to do stuff. If you had more time, if you had a couple months, would you change your designs, would you change your approach to design and do you really feel?
CF: I think we [grinding in the background causes them to pause a bit and they move to another room]
TS: Things are always going on here.
CF: I have to finish up an interview here first.
TS: See another person wants Chips time. Tim drooled on this. So if you had more time on the show, would you changed the designs or do you feel like sometime you have to cater to the time limit that you guys have, that you don't get to do everything.
CF: It is a matter of catering to the time limit, but also what people want, I think, 99.9% of the time we're actually exceeding their expectations.
TS: Right, well they don't even expect...
CF: Well they don't even expect anything because they don't know we're doing it. But even the insider tells us what they were thinking. But it's really, it makes you feel good when they come in and say "I never dreamed it could look this good." I know we're going beyond what they ever thought they could get. So I think the seven days is great for the show also to get as many shows as we need to get to keep it fresh on the air, so you aren't watching rerun after rerun after rerun. It's a lot of work to get `em done and get new episodes out. If we had more time, what I would be doing is more, the detail work. How detailed, how nice could we get everything. We try to make them as nice as we can. It would be fun to actually go in and build new inner fenders but then you're getting into show car status, not just street car. And what we're building is really cool street cars.
TS: So you're still for the most part, your intentions and your designs are pretty well reflected in the finished product?
CF: Sure.
TS: Because you are about detail too. But you can always get detail in different levels, I guess.
CF: As I say, it's not a Foose Design car. If we're building it here we rebuild about everything and we get everything. So, it's fit and the finish and it's beyond where we should ever take the car what we do here at Foose Designs. Overhaulin' is just about building somebody's dream.
TS: Because we're talking about Car Audio magazine, they're interested in your involvement with Arc design and your inspiration for your design on the amplifiers and also if there's going to be more stuff coming out.
CF: With Arc Audio?
TS: Yeah.
CF: We haven't designed anything new since coming out with the line. Don't know if we're going to yet or not. I hope we will. I know that the line has been successful for Arc. It was exciting to do. And when they said we need a new design for the amp and I'm sitting across from Demetrios and Fred and I'm looking at their shirts with the Arc Audio logo and I said, "We just need to use that Arc that's your amp, it's an extrusion, so I did a couple sketches and in 10 minutes I had the idea for what this amp's going to look like. It took another 40 hours to figure out exactly what it was going to look like. I wanted to just take their logo and make that the amp.
TS: So is your car outfitted with a bunch of audio stuff?
CF: My `69 Camaro has a killer stereo system in it that an audio shop just did, Al & Ed's just put that in. And now we're going to reupholster that car, do it all in black leather, and it's going to be at SEMA. And my truck is going to get a system in it. I've got a `47 Ford that I'd like to put a system in. Basically the `47 looks like it's all `50s car, so if I put a system in that I want to hide it. Keep the stock radio in the dash but in the glove box there will be a modern stereo system.
TS: So we're talking products that you design and endorse and stuff. You probably have a lot of things out there. I mean, see your name all over the place...
CF: I'm sorry?
TS: [couldn't get it his mumbling...] I'm sure your approach to endorse a bunch of bizarre things or cool things. What's coming up? Anything interesting?
CF: That we're endorsing? We're working with one of the, actually two of the large manufacturers. And we're talking about doing a line of Foose Edition cars, both of them. And one of them wants the exclusive, the other one doesn't care. So we're deciding whether to go with the exclusive or go with the one that just wants to use the name and have us design some cool product because that keeps it open to do other things as well. Don't know where it's going from here, but it's been a fun ride and I want to keep going with it.
TS: Oh yeah it's awesome, man. I stand there and I always tell people I want to be kinda like him. [chip laughs] But I want to be able to walk down the mall and not have people mob me.
CF: It's nice; I don't get mobbed at the mall. It'll be every once in a while someone recognizes you and it's great when they just say, "Hey, love the show. Keep it going." And that's not getting in our face or anything else. It's appreciative and I enjoy that. But if I go to a car show,
TS: Oh yeah, well I've seen you at SEMA...
CF: That's a different story I can't even see the show.
TS: Well here's one that everyone always wants to know and they ask me the same thing: What car designers out there do you totally admire or do you follow or are there people that really influence your designs and ideas?
CF: Well I have to go back to when I was 7 years old when I met Alex Trembules who designed the Tucker and worked for Dusenburg Aubern and he was head of styling at Ford in the 60s. And Alex when I saw his artwork, it was, I knew that that's what I wanted to do. But also growing up with my father and building cars I knew that I wanted to build as well. And I think I've been lucky that I get to draw and build. I'd go crazy if I did either one exclusively.
TS: Yeah, I understand.
CF: But as far as other designers, I think that Harry Bradley is a fabulous designer. I learned a lot from Harry. Steve Stanford, he's just one of my heros. His artwork is just phenomenal. Larry Erickson is probably one of the most professional of all of them that I've ever met - just has an idea and he can communicate it very well on paper as well as verbally. And the other one is Tom Taylor, who as a much younger guy when I started seeing his artwork I was like, "Wow that's cool stuff." So, of those four designers in the hot rod world, I've always thought of them as leaders and just wanted to kind of be in that group. As far as designers in the OEs there's hundreds of them. You just see a sketch and your jaw drops open and there's so many talented designers working for car companies that have never had the opportunity to build something on their own and have their name on it. When you work for a manufacturer you design a car it gets built, it represents that manufacturer; it doesn't represent your personal ideas for car design. Sometimes they're lucky enough when they're name gets promoted with the car. Most of the time it doesn't and then that car gets shown for a year and then it gets put into a warehouse somewhere and it's forgotten. The cool thing about the hot rod industry, you build a car for somebody, you go to events, the car shows up, the owner's there, you're going to dinner. It's a lifestyle, not just a career. And I think that's why my name is constantly out there, is these cars are part of somebody's life that they keep taking out with them and it's constantly out there so people see it. But there are other designers that I think are way more talented than I am, they just don't get to have that promotion.
TS: I understand. It's the same thing with us. Until we started working manufacturers and being recognized instead of just building a show car under someone else's name. I totally understand what you're saying. Is there any particular car that you haven't worked on that you want to work on? If you had a dream, to bring it in to Overhaulin' or just a project car?
CF: The Pinto or the Pacer. [laughs]
TS: [laughing] Yeah, the Pacer... the Gremlin's a good one, too.
CF: Actually I have a car in mind that I would love to build some day. But it's beyond my ability to spend the money to build it. It's take the new Ford GT, which is like the GT 40. I'd like to tear the body off of that and build a new one-off aluminum body Mustang on that, which would be really wild. Even if we did a limited production run of that I think it would be, I've done some sketches. It's going to be a very expensive car, but I'd love to build it someday. I think it would be the absolute ultimate Mustang of all time.
TS: Cool. Speaking of building stuff, do you have a vehicle being built? Can you talk about it?
CF: Oh yeah. Well actually it was a car that you were going to help me build first, but when you told me your mill was busy through March I went over to Metal Crafters to see if, I had a quarter-scale model already, ask them if they could cut a full-size foam for me. What I was going to do was have them cut it a quarter-inch undersize. We could skin the outside of that and fiberglass, use that to actually shape the body and then put pleico strips through, so by the time we were done with the sheet metal we'd be back up that quarter inch. When I took the model over there and asked them if they'd wanted to cut the full-size foam, give me a quote. Well they wouldn't come back to me with a quote and finally we got together and they said, "We're interested in helping you with this. We'd like to build it here and we want to build 50 of them." I thought, "Wow, here's an opportunity." And it was going to be a stamped-steel body. And they've got all the capabilities over there to stamp a steel body and I thought, "Oh that would be really cool." So, we started talking about it and figured it out. I had a limited budget of what I wanted to spend, and they said well we don't even need all that money; we're going to fund it ourselves. Because we know that in the long run, we're going to make money and we'll pay you a royalty on each one that we sell. Then we were getting down to a deadline and we thought and they asked me because we were so close and I needed to get the car done for SEMA, they said, "Can we do the first one out of carbon fiber?" And my initial reaction was, "Nah I don't think the carbon fiber is going to be cool because I don't like glass cars." Everything I build is, I want to do steel. But then they take me through their carbon department and I see John Force's funny car body sitting there that they just built. And it's all auto-clayed carbon fiber. I see a Saleen S7 sitting there that they just built. And then there's a Chrysler funny car sitting there and there's some other parts and we picked these things up and they don't weigh anything.
TS: Yeah I know.
CF: And the quality of these pieces is beyond what I could believe. It's just amazing stuff. So I said, "Why don't we build them all this way?" So now we're doing 50 of them, all auto-clayed. We're going to have two of them for SEMA, possibly three. The third one being just a cleared carbon-fiber body, which could be a lot of fun. And we may even just have the body sitting there, not a complete chassis, just so people see how light it is because you can just walk up and pick up that body. It doesn't weigh anything. I think the body with the glass in it and all the hinges and everything is only 270 pounds.
TS: Sheesh. That's really light!
CF: Yeah. So we're thinking this car is going to come in around 2,200 pounds maybe, and with the Chrysler 6.4-liter Hemi, their new one. And then Stu Hilborn actually prototype and then went to production with the Hilborn injector system, we're going to be around 2,220 pounds 640 horsepower. It'll be a little rocket ship ... It's going to be wild.
TS: So have you test driven one yet?
CF: No we have not test driven one. Actually, John Hotchkiss who's doing all the suspension will be dropping of the A arms this morning. And then Leonard down at Alpine, he's machining all the uprights. So we're going to have the first car, we're hoping that by Thursday or Friday of next week, the first car will be completely suspended and we'll have the springs figured out. But, we've got right now I think five weeks to get two of them done for SEMA. The second car has come out of the body and been laminated with the structure inside the body, but I tell you it's pretty phenomenal the way they build cars over there. I've learned a lot.
TS: Yeah, they're still pretty much the leaders in that type of thing.
CF: I'll take you over there if you want to see it.
TS: Yeah, that would be sweet. So where is it going to be at? Do you have your own booth or something?
CF: No we're going to have one at the Mothers/RC2, which is Racing Champions and Full Throttle's booth. And the second one will be at Chrysler's booth with the Viper truck that you see in the other room. I'm going to have the truck with the trailer and the car on it. All matching.
TS: So how many cars are you going to have at SEMA?
CF: Just Foose Design I think we've got 13 cars that are going to SEMA and with Overhaulin', last year we had 16 Overhaulin' cars over there. I don't know what we'll have in there this year because we have a lot of vendors that are helping us with stuff and then they call and say, "Hey, can we get that car in the booth?" I would think we'd probably 15 to 20 cars for SEMA. So, we could have in the area of 25 to 30 cars there that Foose Designs was involved with.
TS: That's awesome, man.
CF: It's tiring.
TS: You think? Well you still look fine, haven't passed out yet. What is your dream ride. They want to know. Top five cars.
CF: My dream car? Top five cars? Let's see, I would go back to my father's '48 that I actually helped him work on when I was 12-years old. So I would want my dad's '48. That car represents my childhood. My '65 pickup. The hemisphere. Going back to the Boyd days I'd still want the Boydster 32, which I turned into the 0032. Of other cars from Boyd days, I would probably want the Eldorod, which is Ron Craft's `48 Cadillac convertible. It's a really pretty car. And coming back here, there's the Impression, the Grand Master and the Stallion. I couldn't stop at five. [Troy laughs] I mean, I'm sorry. That's my biggest problem; when people ask me, "What's your favorite car?" I say, "The next one." It's always the next one. And there's two reasons for that. The first is I'm not offending anyone by saying it's so-and-so's car and somebody says, "Why doesn't he like mine better?" It's always the next one. I love everything we get involved with and there's other cars. If I were to say a car on the street right now that's a production car I'd want say the Ford GT. It's an unbelievable car and I was actually involved with that from the get-go. And again when you're working with the OEs your name's never involved with it. And just like there's a few other cars that I was involved with, but I think the GT and the other cars that were mentioned would have to be in that garage. One day I hope they are. [laughs]
TS: Get a big old house with a 15-car garage. Here's a fun question...
CF: No, no, no. Just need a one-bedroom house with a big ole garage.
TS: [laughs] That's right. You don't sleep much anyway.
[woman in background can't hear, they joke a bit]
Here's a fun question they always me. What do you think of shows like Pimp my Ride, Unique Whips and some of those other guys?
CF: What do I think of Unique Whips, Pimp my Ride and all that stuff? You know it's people playing with the love affair of the car so I love them. They're not building cars that I would want to build, but there's a market for them, there's an audience for that. So I'm happy that they're out there.
TS: So what do you really think?
CF: I think they make our show look better! [laughs]
TS: No, I hear you. I look at it the same way. It's somebody's passion for doing something, it's not necessarily what the result is, but the fact that somebody wanted to build something and they put their time and their efforts into it, whether I like it or not. It's more about me appreciating that somebody did it. I kind of know what you mean. Some of that stuff is pretty crazy.
CF: I'm glad that there's an audience for it and that there's networks that want to shoot that stuff and put it on the air, because it helps all of us.
TS: Yeah and Rides. Believe it or not, but every time I go someplace, people always say, "I saw you on TV." And it's always because Rides shows are re-airing over and over again
CF: Rides was a great show. I wish that they would bring it back. One of the things that I like to say is that every other builder... I don't look at anybody as competition; I look at them as a potential best friend. Because they've got the same passion for cars that we do. If I'd live next door to them and we both liked cars we probably would have grown up best friends. But, just because they have a business and I have a business doesn't make me a competitor or an enemy. I want to help them because I still believe that the more we help each other, the more we all to learn. And the more we're going to bring this industry up.
TS: It is and people ask me the same thing. We don't really have competitors, we're people doing the same stuff. And I'll lend a hand to those people same as you would.
CF: You're only competitors when you're writing a quote. [laughs]
TS: [laughing] That's right.
CF: "We want that job!"
TS: Just a couple more. This thing about, people always think that we're real inspirational in our little arena, especially in the Scion industry. I've got people coming to us thinking that we build the most insane cars. I'm sure people look at you as an inspiration, as kind of a trendsetter. How does that make you feel. Do you feel extra responsible or do you think sometimes, "Gosh if I do this will people hate it?"
CF: When you bring in trendsetter, that's the thing I want to stay away from. I'm not trying to build trends or set trends. I'm trying to be timeless in the designs that we do, because I want it to be good design. I want people to know that they spent their money wisely and that 10 or 15 years from now, their car still looks good. If it's good design, it still looks good. If it's something where we're trying to grab attention right now, five years from now it's going to look like an old car. So it's interesting, and I hope that's the trend that it goes to: that people are trying to be more eloquent in their design, much more tasteful, shall we say, so that people are spending their money wisely. That's my goal.
TS: Cool. So is this your life's dream? When you were sitting around Art Center sketching or in your dad's garage working on stuff. Did you anticipate that this is where you would be?
CF: No, my life's dream was to win the lottery and build all these for myself. [laughs]
TS: Yes. And it still could happen. But did you ever think...
CF: No, when I was at Art Center I figured I'd probably be working for a car manufacturer some day. And I was lucky enough to work with Boyd and meet a lot of people in the hot rod industry. I grew up working on hot rods with my dad, but we didn't have that customization, we'd just build. And, I've been blessed to work with some fabulous clients that have allowed us to build the best that we can build for them for them. And that's my goal: To continue to build the best that we can possibly build.
TS: So you never sat there and said that's this is what you wanted to do?
CF: No. I knew I wanted to get into products and license. Because the way I grew up working with my dad, building cars, I knew you were only getting paid for what you were doing right now. Then going to work for Boyd or even before that, OSHA corporation. OSHA tried to license their ideas. So that we got paid for everything that was being built by somebody else. Which was a great plan. Then going to Boyd and seeing Boyd building everything in house. He wanted to keep all the manufacturing...
[interruption from someone in the background]
TS: I'm sure we got most of this, but back to your life's dream, was this something that you totally thought you'd be doing when you were young or at Art Center?
CF: No I knew that I would build hot rods on the side because that's where my love affair with the car lay [he said lied], but I figured I'd be working for a car manufacturer to make my living and support the family. As I said before, I've been blessed to have worked with some fabulous clients that are allowing us to build the best that we can possibly build. And that's my dream, to build the coolest things that we can build.
TS: So it's not about, I mean you weren't so much concerned about being recognized and being able to do your own thing and the fame and fortune with that?
CF: No it wasn't about the fame and fortune.
TS: It's just a passion.
CF: Just to build the coolest stuff that we can build. That's what my dream is.
TS: OK, so this is the last question that they wanted me to ask you. Because you've been on television and you're more exposed, do you have more women approaching you?
CF: No. If I do, it's older women in maybe their 40s and 50s, that "Oh my husband loves your show! They make me watch it."
TS: So you don't have a bunch of groupies, young girls that are waiting at the gate for your autograph.
CF: [laughs] No, I don't have the looks.
TS: OK see, Ben, it doesn't matter how much TV you're on, that's not what it's about.
CF: There's only one woman I'm interested in. That's my wife. I've been blessed to have met a great woman and I've been with her 19 years now, we've been married 14.
TS: Wow
Woman off stage: She's still kicking his butt.
TS: She keeps him in line. She is the true boss of the Foose household. How are the kids?
CF: Kids are great.
TS: How old.
CF: Brock is 7 and Katie's 2.
TS: Are you serious? Man that is crazy.
CF: I believe we've been in this building now for six years.
Ts: I hear you guys are looking to expand, huh?
CF: Yeah.
TS: Well, you have to.
CF: Yeah, we're waiting for that 5 Axis company to move.
TS: [laughs] To go under? Sorry.
CF: They're just across the street. We're taking over that building.
TS: It's a short walk, as we know.
CF: We want to put a big mezzanine in though and we'll just live about 5 Axis.
TS: And we'll have a little window so people can watch you work.
CF: We'll have Foose Designs in the mezzanine over 5 Axis.
TS: We should get some people out of those buildings. It'd be cool to have more stuff over there.
CF: That could just be an automotive center.
TS: That would be great. Allright, Chip. Thanks man I know you're busy.
CF: Thank you.
TS: I'll let you know. It's for Car Audio.